John Stossel Is College Worth It? 20/20 ABC News

by Doc_Smith on November 14, 2009

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TenderTrap86 November 14, 2009 at 8:30 pm

@oilhammer04 You’re very correct. The entire college process has become very predatory and even worse, because of the lack of real education, an utter waste of time for most.

TenderTrap86 November 14, 2009 at 8:44 pm

@RadioLaPrincess I also knew kids who could barely read at two seperate colleges I attended. How did they even get into college, or even get through high school to begin with?

oilhammer04 November 14, 2009 at 9:19 pm

My wife is a professor, and she mentions this from time to time. Parents are so determined that their child gets a college degree when they are barely functionally literate. I think many colleges are functioning from a business model and will sell the tuition and housing whether the student should be a customer or not.

RadioLaPrincess November 14, 2009 at 9:24 pm

@oilhammer04 you are on the mark. I was banned from my college because I spoke out against open admissions. It might be un PC to say, but if one ranks on the bottom of a high school class, they shouldn’t go to college. I literally had people in my class who could barely read.

swatus November 14, 2009 at 9:33 pm

You do need a college degree to get a good job nowaday, but majoring in something practical (stay away from liberal arts). Second, this is the most important thing. Get connected ! Improve your networking while in college. Don’t just go college to learn or party. You would most likely get hired if you already knew someone working in that company. So, how to get connected ? Join school club in your major, hanging out with smart people and do internship or volunteer that related to your major.

Rockr21190 November 14, 2009 at 10:21 pm

Don’t listen to these people. The key to college is choosing a major that will make you MONEY. Don’t choose major in just a science, math, english, human studies, history, music…ect those are a waste of time and money. Majors like Pharmacy,Business, Law, Medical,Education, Engineering(I am Civil), will get get you a job and make good money.

oilhammer04 November 14, 2009 at 10:22 pm

That is . . . . if you don’t get blown to bits by an IED.

oilhammer04 November 14, 2009 at 11:13 pm

Yes, like Michael Dell and Bill Gates, etc. Google: “highly successful college dropouts”

oilhammer04 November 14, 2009 at 11:38 pm

Colleges have had to dumb down many of their core courses to accommodate the lower level students that they let in. Then they don’t really know all that much when they graduate from college. I was probably in the bottom half of my high school class, but I graduated in the top 10% of my college class. I didn’t learn much in high school or in college.

grumpone November 14, 2009 at 11:50 pm

Congrats and I feel your pain in finding decent employees. It is sooo hard, like looking for a needle in a haystack.

DrBakshandeh November 15, 2009 at 12:21 am

Please feel free to join me on my “College Advantage?” forum.

DrBakshandeh November 15, 2009 at 12:48 am

If people have potential shouldn’t they just do the job in the first place?

DrBakshandeh November 15, 2009 at 1:39 am

Join me on my open forum.

DrBakshandeh November 15, 2009 at 1:42 am

Please feel free to join me on my open forum I’d like to have your opinions.

DrBakshandeh November 15, 2009 at 2:23 am

Now you know the bullshit I had to deal with as well from various dummies throughout my life. Anyway I hope you join me in my open forum “College Advantage?” video :)

DrBakshandeh November 15, 2009 at 3:21 am

Lets have an open forum on my channel.

Chance1364 November 15, 2009 at 4:06 am

I did not do well in high school and the 2 years I went to college I was more worried about girls and beer . Now I own my own business which made 2.7 million last year . I’ve been in business for 12 years and I made it without being from a wealth family or getting aid in some manner from the government . College is a good thing for some professions but most could probably learn the same skills by working in that feild and in less time . Most people I hire still have to be trained .

MotionFur November 15, 2009 at 4:14 am

Longer [by that I mean your 4year bachelors or better] college programs can be good or bad depending on the situation. But due to the current situations in market [not only job, but how manipulated college costs and debt are] many people who are in college could be better off learning a trade, going for votech or just getting out and blazing their own trail the best they can. Also, Suze Orman rocks. Instead of 4yr degree, I got my associates degree in 18 months and 2~ years of experience and pay

ironspade November 15, 2009 at 5:03 am

The easiest way to a secure future if u think u wont be able to compete is to join the army and retire in 15 years and it will be a tough 15 years but u will hopefully have invested in something profitable while living rent free over seas. that or learn a trade.

ironspade November 15, 2009 at 5:59 am

its a matter of supply and demand, the more college degrees out there, the less they are worth. Lot of people bought baseball cards in the 80’s and 90’s thinking they would be worth something down the road and companies capitalized on that and started printing out more cards, and the same thing is happening with colleges they are recruiting more students with false promises. People who were meant to be successful were born that way, and a lot of times its who u know.

Teromi November 15, 2009 at 6:49 am

College is not a scam. It depends what you study that’s all. Not everyone is made for college, especially if you think you’re going to make millions with a degree in communications or liberal arts. Can you become and engineer without college, no. Can you be succesful without a college degree of course.. Does it open doors for you, perhaps. Its more of what you make of it… My advice is if you don’t feel qualified to study in a REAL field don’t waste your time.

billybassman21 November 15, 2009 at 7:11 am

You’re right if you want that corporate type job they generally want college. I have been through many interviews and I’m sure I didn’t get a few of them because I didn’t have a degree. However even with one there is so much competition. They key is to know someone that can get you in. Many companies do the interviewing as a formality. They end up hiring based on a referral. I work for a company owned by a private owner. Many of our new hires are referrals as well. I worked my way up to sales.

mwtillotson November 15, 2009 at 7:58 am

I’m sure it was more than just luck though: I see many, many people who spend every dime they have on various stupidities, from cigarettes to lottery tickets. That being said, it wasn’t my intention to devalue your accomplishments or your life. Only that it’s a rarity, and college is a logical choice to get your foot in the door in the competitive market.

billybassman21 November 15, 2009 at 8:42 am

I’m 33 years old and have good credit. I got my house for only $1000 down. This was before the housing crisis. I’m very lucky to work from home.

mwtillotson November 15, 2009 at 9:35 am

Indeed, it’s not the only way. But it IS a way. And it’s a pretty good way too.

Computer-based jobs are readily available to those with the right degrees: I’m majoring in computer science, and I can guarantee after I get our with my bachelor’s, I won’t have to work for years saving up money at a retail store.

It’s good that you’ve done well for yourself, but understand that that’s an exception, not the rule.

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